Diffrent types of Realization

Realization is of two types a). Self Realization and b). Brahman
realization. As per Shri Shankara a) Nirguna Brahman b). Saguna Brahman.

For Saguna realization Upasana/Bhakti/Karmayoga is the way. Shankara showed
the way for this also. But he didnot consider that as ultimate. He
considered Self Realization as the ultimate and Jnana is the way for Self
Realization. Saguna brahma upasana clears Chitta and creates conditions for
Jnana. Ahamkara gets removed with Jnana. Shri Shankara has sung beautiful
hymns about Shakti - Soundarya Lahari, Annapurna stotra etc. For Shri
Shankara creation is Shakti - Lalitambika. For Shri Madhwa, creation is
Laxmi executed through Pranashakti.

As per Shri Madhwa, a). is Mukti - Narayana Darshana b). Vishnu darshana.
Both are synonymous systems with different terminologies/nomenclatures etc.

Language is inadequate to express experience of any kind let alone spiritual
experience which is of the highest order. Discussions/discourses are
happening with Pandits who dont have an iota of idea about experience. I
have interacted with Dwaita Scholars, Advaita scholars, Budhist Monks, Yoga
Masters both enlightened and non enlightened. Bookish knowledge will not
take one any where but confusion. People like Puttur Ajja, Amma, Nithyananda
have not studied Vedanta but they speak Vedanta out of their experience.
This is Pustakada badanekayi Vs real badanekayi.

To put my perspective ( which comes from Engineering background and
experience).

Realizations are of two types
a). Objective which involves body mind complex, sense organs. This happens
when the mental noise drops drastically. Interference of mind in sense
organs reduces drastically. This can be due to Karmayoga or Bhakti yoga
which is purificatory process. In my case, Karmayoga helped. The work I did
in CDOT became my worship. When the mental noise starts reducing,
unactivated part of brain gets activated. This is due to movement of
Pranashakti upwards into nervous system. That is the reason Shri Madhwa says
Hari Sarvottama Vayu Jeevottama. Until that Pranavayu gets activated, you
cannot have this experience. It is called Kundalini awakening in Shaiva
tradition.

Once that happens, everything you see through sense organs becomes
magnificient due to reduced noise and heightened awareness. Tears start
flowing, body starts shaking with joy. The place where you are becomes
Vaikunta/Kailas. Everything including stone, air appears like living -
animated by Prana and Living being is Hari.

You start experience as a single living being - whatever name you call -
Hari, Brahma/Shakti etc. The whole universe is activated by Prana shakti -
like electricity. This experience is unforgettable. Even a momentary
experience is sufficient to wipe out Karma of lifetimes.

In this experience the Seer through your eyes/Hearer is Hari. He alone Sees
Himself in the world. But the experience gets recorded in Chitta memory
system. The individual ego "i"
which is nothing but you and me - bundle of psychological memories uses the
memory to say I saw Hari in the world. Since Jnana is not complete, "i" has
not disappeared. There is duality.

b). When we dont use sense organs/nervous system ( to a minimum extent) and
enter into Samadhi, we reach a state of Pure awareness. This is Narayana. To
reach Narayana you need to remove the concept of "i" in Psychological
memory. This process is Called Jnana by Shri Shankara, Self Enquiry by Shri
Ramana and Linga Deha Bhanga by Shri Madhwa.
Madhwa states unequivocally that Linga Deha Bhanga happens due to Jnana.
This is state of Mukti. This is state off Realization of Narayana. A
thoughtless Awareness where Narayana experiences himself but memory Chitta
records experience. This is what Shri Shankara calls as Nirguna Brahman and
Shaivas call Shivanubhuti. Gautama Buddha calls this as Nirvana - point of
no return.

All that I can say is experience cannot be discussed through words. If
someone in Dwaita system has to comment on Advaita or Buddhism or Vice versa
he should surrender to enlightened Master in that system ( not a scholar in
that system) learn the system humbly realize before commenting anything. It
has not happened in History !!

Except that Acharya like some Advaitins were converted by Shri Madhwa who is
a Realized soul. This is perfectly alright. Scholars when they meet realized
Master they learn their inadequacy. But scholars arguing with another
scholar is never ending business.

I would put Shri Madhwas teaching in simple words of Shri Kanakadas - "Nanu
hodare hodenu". Please remember Kanakadasa was not a scholar. In Shri
Vadiraja Tirthas shishyas there were hundreds of scholars perpetually
arguing about Shri Hari. Neither Shri Purandara Dasa nor Shri Kanakadasa
were scholars.

Now please read Harikathamrita sara any Sandhi. And please tell me who is
the Teacher Shri Madhwa/Shri Shankar speaks through the words of
Harikathamritasara. You cannot findout whether it is Dwaita or Advaita.

When the Wisdom is spoken through Love, Bhakti - it is Shri Madhwa. When
Love spoken through language of Wisdom it is Shri Shankara.

Realized souls like Buddha, Shankara and Madhwa are Universal beings. But
when they speak they speak for certain students. Even a Nobel Laureate if he
addresses the 10th standard student he has to speak their language.

When Jesus had speak he had to speak the language of Shepherd. "Lord is the
Shepherd you are the Sheep" because he was addressing such community.

Peace,
Prabhu